This spring bought a second one for my wife. Like I always say – for me personally, it’s hard to separate the fact that I’m riding indoors from outdoors. It’s profile folded up allows it to be put under a bed or couch. . This is also included, whereas with most trainers it isn’t. Overall very happy with the purchase. I opened Trainer Road, paired the trainer, and toggled the resistance in TR. The wobbly flywheel didn't cause too much of an issue when you are pedaling, but when you stop (say going downhill in zwift) it would make the front of my bike shudder. Just unfold the legs, plug in the power cord, hook on your bike and you are all set to ride. Click above for all the details. The main difference is honestly more around the power and road feel, which is better on the CORE. New one showed up yesterday, no issues at all, jumped on Zwift and had a blast. I’m still doubting between the Kickr Core & Elite Suito trainer But not always,…it is 50/50 with this device. It’s unclear whether the FR935 could support the standard BT profile broadcasting as well, since that might record a slightly different chipset to be able to dual-broadcast. The flywheel only weighs 3.5 kg, but I am not experienced enough to tell what difference a heavier component would make for my "ride feel". I simply don’t use the block, because it changes geometry to ‘constant climbing’ and had butt aches due to that. Overall design is brilliant! I’d really like the distance / speed correct to garmin since that is where I’m monitoring my progress, especially for when I bike outdoors without zwift. Problem has apparently been reported to Elite, they should be working on it, but there is no timeline. Could you turn it by hand? So no it wont work with spacers. It doesn’t seem to interfere with the accuracy of the data either. Thank you. This $8 case fixes that, it's a silicone strap that makes it easy to grab, but also has a strap to easily place on the edge of your handlebars. Do you mind telling me where you purchased yours from. Problem is: I cannot enter a wheel circumfence of 84, as the minimum value to enter is 1000. The adapter on the cassette side needs to balanced in the hole when installing the bike as it falls out from the slightest movement. Aga. I can’t tell if some of the noise is the quirks of my bike in certain gears or the actual ticking noise described. I appreciate any response you could provide. Heeft er iemand ervaring met het fietsen van de Tacx routes op een Elite Suito? Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? Firmware 191, hardware 4. Or maybe it’s protecting you. Honestly, there’s little reason most of this matters if you use the defaults in Zwift, because it automatically halves the values anyway. Abi, Minor remark from my side, don’t use wheel block on a road bike*700c wheels, standard) because it screws up level of your bike (my butt learnt it the hard way, was wondering what was causing it), it seems Suito has same heigh of mounting points as a wheel, so no riser is needed, I have used it today for the very first time and it has taken me 10 seconds to realize tha something was weird with the block, I have removed it and go for a 2h30′ ride. Easy stuff. If I turn the pedals, this silver wheel seems to have a flat spot. I notice it when I let it spin down – the bike rocks back and forth. I have the same setup as you and ended up spending a bit more and getting a polar oh1+. As far as calibration goes, you can complete it easily from most apps – including TrainerRoad and Zwift. When I tried to start pedalling again, the screeching noise started and the resistance was very, very high. Good. ah, sorry, had overlooked that link…to be honest, in my experience if you want consistent data the only reliable way is to use the same bike (or PM) for everything unfortunately. – run the calibration. The source of those issues varied though. On the flywheel, it really just depends on how much wobble. The said it was “under the allotted tolerance” and that the warranty would not cover it. Y más con una aplicación como Zwift. Calibration doesn't work in Zwift and has to be done via Elite specific application. As I have no experience in DD trainer (or any other trainer at all) I’m not sure what can be treated as ‘within tolerances of manafacturing’ or what is definitely ‘return immediately’ type of thing, especially that with ongoing situation returning wouldn’t be as smooth as during ‘business as usual’. Boom! Elite Elite home trainer direto xr Bientôt disponible en ligne. This still has left a very bad taste in my mouth for the whole situation though. Maybe I give another one a second try. Suffice it to say, this thing has kept me sane all these months. Hi, Now, some quick practical tips. on both Zwift and TrainerRoad. Also it have problem to keep its resistance stable in workout mode. Easy setup Well-built Helpful support Portable/storable Budget-friendly. It's stable for hard sprints. However, it is important that you set the wheel circumference according to the manual. VO2 MAX intervals were impossible at first, now they just hurt as they should. I shipped the unit back December 14th. It may be relatively inexpensive but I have been using it nearly every day for about a year so far and it has worked amazingly well. But after sharing some more measurements with them that showed the inconsistencies I got a manual (and individual) update. Mine had a SUE#### registration number, and I had both the wobbly flywheel and the power issue. First, there’s a handle. I couldn’t figure out a way to test free riding in their app without paying for it so I grabbed Rouvy (which I had wanted to test) and fired it up and guess what? They agreed they made a mistake and told me to forget about sending a video. Easy setup Realistic inertia Budget-friendly. Though first, I’d strongly recommend getting the right cassette on there, otherwise it’s going to likely cover up any real issues due to the imperfection there. When I ride with TrainerRoad I am having this particular issue. Had some initial problems with my heart band which actually had impact on the programs. You can see in the screenshots I got it to succeed (iPad via Bluetooth Smart). Can you please help me with advise, orientation? It work well no any problem. Normally if I stop pedalling and wait for 10 seconds I can start pedalling again with no issue. I am really dreading going through the whole warranty process again but will have to do it at some point. I did more testing, finally getting frustrated and uninstalled, then reinstalled Zwift. Mostly, the experience will suck. At just $799 with a cassette, it's one of the best values when it comes to a complete, indoor bike trainer. Hey guys – i’ve recently bought a Suito from one of the cycle shops here in Denmark. Elite suggests that you divide your circumference by 24.8, but when I did that my speed went down to 1-2 km/h while putting out 250 Watts. It stands up really well when shaking whilst putting in high power outputs climbing or sprinting and has adjustable feet on the supports that ensure the trainers stays upright and level at all times. Ever since I purchased my Elite Suito in December 2019 it has a tendency to make an awful screeching sound every now and again. Was finding difficult to get back into training and riding. Als ik hem op 100% zet krijg ik mijn pedalen niet rond. The target power for this interval was 401w (not 428w, that was the original workout, I had scaled it down since I did three trainer rides that day). Any thoughts? Racing on Swift is thus no fun. In that sense a small chainring better simulate the road feel of a hill while the big chainring a flat course; which is probably also why it feels easier with big chainring, as the high momentum of the flywheel “helps” to stay on top of the target power once we reach it. The package seems really good, I would be happy if there weren't those two issues. Another guy is working on a JSON file himself, he might be able to help people out. Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Helpful support Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. The Elite Suito is a direct-drive bike trainer that comes ready-to-go right out of the box. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. Marque: Elite. Did a 1 hour TrainerRoad program today and I’m happy to report everything went well. Is there a way to get a solid axle, closed with regular nuts on the Elite Suito? Since the beggining of the pandemic im 100% indoors, having a huge improvement on my cycling and most important happy&healthy ! I'm not a heavy rider, only 56kg, and my sprinting power isn't great. I’m not holding out hope of this one lasting me more than a few rides. I'm not a heavy rider, only 56kg, and my sprinting power isn't great. Any help/ advice would be appreciated! Looking good. My first unit (bought in October 2019) had the well-documented knocking sound. I followed this procedure but engaged a much higher gear to obtain a much higher speed than previously and this worked. Thank you for the great review Ray! Love the elite Suito. For the price, i think this may be the best trainer available right now. To be fair, zero trainers explain this in the market. But it’s also not terribly different from other trainers in this ballpark. I live in Texas and ride in my garage. My previous trainer was a dumb trainer, for that reason i used to have horrible memories on indoor trainers, suito really changed it. Works well. Keeping my fingers crossed that nothing changes for the worse as the days go by. The only thing that came in the box was a link to the elite website, which then presumably generates the code for use in Zwift. For this price range, the accuracy with the latest firmware (V191 from ~Oct 20th) is perfectly fine in my opinion for both power accuracy and cadence across a broad range of tests and conditions. Thanks for all your comments done here, useful as always. Then I’ve changed my cap to 500 eur. It does happen elsewhere. I’ve also had some times in ERG mode during training workouts on ZWIFT—which I get to where I suddenly can’t pedal because of the resistance. But here was the real challenge for Elite (and every other company): Shipping lead times. Hi there! Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! Unfortunately, I only have tools to tighten the left side of the trainer – the right side requires larger spanner which I don’t have atm and also removing the freehub which I am kinda afraid to do because of voiding the warranty. Here´s the the training: ´ That was a bad move. I got rid of the knocking sound (and a loose axle) by thightening the big nut located in the left side with a 30mm spanner. But it doesn’t work. It’s simply that I like my front wheel to stay put. Best wishes for 2020, among them: functioning Elite Suito ! B) It saves waste shipping trainers twice (once from consumer to retailer, and then again from retailer to distributor). Trainer Difficulty is a funny subject on it’s own, and often misunderstood. There’s no better test of that than 30×30 repeats (30-seconds at a high resistance, followed by 30-seconds at an easy resistance). Much better this time since I didn’t have to send the defective one back first. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! Being a user of the wheel-on Cycleops PowerSync Pro the past 3 years, I just don’t understand this response. Is that possible ? Garmin etc. Im considering sending it back to the shop. I was planning to grab a Bushido on sale for appx 300-350 but those sold out very quickly. What’s everyone’s recommendation? Did my first ride on the replacement trainer yesterday. It didn’t matter whether you were Elite, Tacx, Kinetic, or others. I had purchased the Suito from Clevertraining on the big sale and ended up with a bad flywheel and crunching noise. I cannot speak to the accuracy of the power, as i have no point of reference. It´s just a matter of presentation of data. For $8, this solves that problem. I troubleshot the issue with Elite over a couple of days but ultimately had to send it back for warranty replacement. ERG mode with the Suito simply is unusable in it’s current state, which is a bummer because I perform over 80% of my indoor training in this mode. link to youtube.com I seem to have found I actually can make the small ring up front work out well. Yay. It came with an 11spd cassette, and a cheaper price (20% less than a Kickr Core). Slight delay in ERG mode and sometimes shows inaccurate cadence numbers in sprints. I’ve added the Elite Suito into the product comparison database, where you can compare it to any trainer that I’ve reviewed or have in the DCR Cave. that makes sense. Read lots of reviews and narrowed it down to the Suito. den låter en heldel, men med musik till så tänker man inte på det link to forums.zwift.com. I don’t think with the Suito you need to do it every time. Any ideas? Although I asked them to expedite the shipping they couldn’t and it went ground. the suito is a good entry-level model, easy to assemble and easy to use. The spacer should be there for other speeds. So at least to me it looks like Elite have sorted this out. It would also be nice if CT would just preemptively send me a new Suito out so I don’t have to wait again but given the cluster this has been I have a feeling that I will find out that CT will close for the holidays and I’ll be stuck without the Suito until the beginning of January. Thanks for your comments. The spacers for the Wahoo fit better and do not fall out the Suito’s so at least that improved. I will say this, I have the luxury of waiting. You’ll want to pair it up as a controllable trainer (which will also pair it as a power meter): You’ll see the trainer enumerated in a fairly similar manner on TrainerRoad as well: Also, TrainerRoad’s tips page on using smart trainers in ERG mode: I’d *strongly* recommend you either read that page, or just simply do two things: A) Calibrate the Suito: I found it did make a significant difference to do the roll-down, it only takes a few seconds This is my first smart trainer. The lighter flywheel (less inertia) is immediately noticeable. I can not believe I have lost 400W of power in sprints…when all the other power data in race are quite similar to the kikr snap measurements-thank you! There’s really no excuse for this. However, I can vouch for the fact that this is a very practical trainer. Very happy with it so far. If I would’ve known about this before purchasing, I definitely would’ve steered clear of this trainer. They are willing to helpz. So I get horrible high speed values and I am messing up all my statistics. I find this set up doesn’t feel as good as using the big ring up front with the rear cog in the general area of the middle. thats just the other way round most other Suito users are experiencing. I read somewhere with the Shimano 105 series you need 2 spacers. There is some wobble at high flywheel speeds when letting the trainer spin down, but I don’t notice it during training except maybe for some increased vibration at super high flywheel speeds when sprinting. By that I mean that when I drop significantly in power during the session and change to an easier gear it doesn’t seem to let loose when spinning like it used to. Zuverlässigkeit from Stephan HE September 8, 2020  Well-built Quiet Budget-friendly, Really good trainer from AledD September 8, 2020 This trainer is really easy to use. I just got a Stages unit (on sale) for my other road bike and have not had a chance to check it yet against the 4iiii as I am living in Spain and not allowed to ride at the moment…but I strongly suspect there will be some variance as well….I like tracking my progress using power data but I am not taking things too seriously….if I were I would probably use PM pedals and swap them between bikes or something along those lines…. My smaller gears were making noise. I have to adjust the derailleur just as I had to on the Suito. I also found this one from the other link. I’ve no hardware issues. I have a Trek Emonda with Dura Ace 11 speed Di2 drive train. I don’t zwift or anything so it doesn’t really bother me if I can still use it in ERG mode so haven’t pursued a fix. I’m not sure if that’s counted as a setup or not. Then, I come here and write about my adventures. Especially when I saw the flat powerline of friends using a wahoo trainer. Is there any solution to that? and a lot of noise and vibrations especially on the smaller end of the cassette. Virtually no flywheel wobble, no grinding noise/feel in any gear, seemed overall much quieter and I even noticed the feel was better. I found out that when using an external watch or bike computer (in my case: Garmin Fenix) to record an indoor ride with the Suito, the wheel circumference setting should be the actual wheel circumference / 24.8. Mind you, that actually isn’t unusual. But you will have to spend more money. The screw of the freewheel hub was a bit loose, thats all. It's almost impossible to pedal anymore. Lars, are you following the zwift forum thread as well? It’s not silent – but is quiet – it’s on par with other ‘quiet but not silent’ trainers in 2019. poor install, etc) Should I also notice this wobble at speed? No knocking noise. And yes, I used -5% to highlight another aspect of Trainer Difficulty. I remember this being an issue for some people. Wondering how I can get 10% the Elite Suito trainer through Backcountry/Competitive Cyclist, which you mention at the end of your review? I’m looking at multiple factors here. Thanks. It’s like the Matrix: The Red Pill, or the Blue Pill. If you endure like this, it seems that all the problems have been fixed. As for the vibrations, my unit vibrates as well, finetuning indexing helped a bit, I think…. Just tried to check adjustments underneath and it seems to have 7mm allen keys!!! Per all the reviews, its not as quiet as the post 2018 Kickr/Cores, but its not like the trainers of old either. Grazie! Knock on wood. So I don’t use it. Hopefully I will get a fast response from CT, they had the replacement Suito out the door the next day after my return. . In this case, I was still comparing against the Quarq and PowerTap P2 pedals, but they seemed better behaved this day. Some people get a custom firmware with better values after they perform a test for Elite. Great trainer! Hi I am having multiple Suito issues, the main one being that the Suito likes to say I am doing between 10-20 watts more than what both my V3 and 4iiii power meters read (both of which read the same watts). Calibration instructions tend to be wrong, but it will work if you spin up much faster than instructed. Elite suggests that you divide your circumference by 24.8, but when I did that my speed went down to 1-2 km/h while putting out 250 Watts. New and exciting dimension from Donker September 8, 2020 Was finding difficult to get back into training and riding. It’s doable to use the same cassette on 10/11sp bikes concurrently (my tri bike is a 10spd, so I do it occasionally), but it’s not ideal. My iPhone doesn’t say it’s connected to the Suito anymore with bluetooth. To clarify, my personal power meters will read 150 watts and Suito jumps between 160 to 170 watts. In my experience, I can only see the fluctuations and not feel them. but 10s and 11s should be very similar, especially the central block. I can't verify the accuracy as i don't own another power meter. There's a bit of flex in the unit (upper part rocking relative to the legs), which would be good if it was deliberate, but I suspect it's not. I missed a week of training and was excited about pulling the replacement out of the box.. until I pedaled and heard the exactly same damn sound! I’m thinking it’s probably ok as I can install a cassette and pricing in the UK made the Zumo a good £125 cheaper. I have a second Suito (first one had a wobbly flywheel) and I notice that I get some shimmy/wobble on the front end of my bike when I coast. My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated December 18th, 2020 @ 8:05 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. About this product. Hardware level 4. Make sure that 30mm nut is tightened before going for warranty. Meaning, those early batches were shipped in August or so for US folks getting them in early October. It seems to be very solidly busy, with all metal construction and has been trouble free since I purchased in 8 months ago. Easy setup Realistic inertiaWell-built Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. In their own app, which looks like it was written for DOS, it gives you a value at the end of the spin down (the time its took to stop) and you're left wondering "so what?". Scott. Since that has been fixed, I have had many km on the trainer and starting a new season very soon:), Great direct drive trainer that is easy setup and store away from Triggerhappy September 15, 2020 Since this is my first trainer I can't really provide any comparison to other brands or models. Brought it to my Trek dealer to make sure everything was good. I tried to calibrate the Suito using the training app, it only worked once out of five times. And then it went back to normal. During zwift workout I and easily pedal 260 watts where 110 is required?? Why do they recommend the small ring up front and what do you experience related to this? I am using my trainer with Zwift connected via bluetooth and recording on my forerunner 945 via ant+ to ensure all the stats go to garmin correctly. With the cassette already installed, you only have to put on your bike and connect the trainer to your device. Elite Suito from Mad Pierre September 8, 2020 First experience of a smart trainer. It also has a far more natural feel. I would say 80% realistic. Too bad they couldn’t send a new one out once they had a tracking number of the unit I sent back today. Sincere, severe, disappointment, I wanted it to work. I contacted the online store I bought it from. It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. The easy storage and simple setup was my main reason to select the Suito over other trainers - it hardly takes up any room when not in use, and setting it up again is a matter of minutes. The odd thing in my opinion is that the freeride shows actual power and the on the intervals it shows just the power i had aimed for even if i made small surges. As you probably know, apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, SufferFest, Rouvy, Kinomap and many more all support most of these industry standards, making it easy to use whatever app you’d like. Hello, I am between the Elite Suito and Tacx Flux 2 Smart. The worst to me was Tacxs slippage issue with the earlier Neos (admittedly, I do believe that’s a design limitation, but I couldnt accept the fact Im riding a dud and they supposedly fixed it with a new 2T), I’m heavily considering this alongside with the Kickr Core. I am convinced something is not right at all. On my bike I have a left only 4iiii pm. I previously could keep up with a buddy, but he was dropping me everywhere. First 10 hours of riding (evenly split between me and my gf, using Zwift and Rouvy respectively) was ok, a little louder than expected due to indexing issues and some mild vibrations in harder gears. Once they receive the defective unit they will send a new one. Good for hard zwift rides from Remi September 8, 2020 I've done 8000km and 100000m D+ on this Elite Suito trainer in the past 6 month using mainly Zwift simulation mode. This reaction time and accuracy are both tested here. Wanna save some cash and support the site? Bluetooth Smart Power Meter Profile: This broadcasts as a standard BLE power meter, with cadence data Hello Martin, Major issues where Power meter and resistances fails. You need to change the ‘Trainer Difficulty’ level to 100% in order to feel it (and most people don’t bother to). I ride gravel & road with both bikes, so pedal pm is not an option. Yet, power reading seems fairly accurate. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? I think it”s a wonderfull machine . link to support.zwift.com. Using checked luggage there’d be no problems at all, it’s well under the standard 50lbs/22kg weight limit most airlines use. The Suito made a name for itself by essentially copying the same Elite formula as a few years ago: Offer a good medium-range product that undercuts everyone else on price. This happens, for instance, if you (like me) store your bike vertically on the trainer after workouts so it takes less space. This impacts inertia and how it feels – primarily when you accelerate or otherwise change acceleration (such as briefly coasting).